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Armand Beede's avatar

Annabel Ascher: A Democrat who draws lessons -- rightly or wrongly -- from the Bill Clinton phenomenon; doesn't have the patience to listen to YOU; spouts regressive views; UNFRIENDS you; blocks your response . . .

The person who excludes you is making exactly the wrong, the very wrong response.

We need unity and strength.

There is strength in diversity and reason.

My own stance: Kamala Harris did a wonderful, miraculous two-year-run compressed in 107 days. Kamala Harris is a statesman in my future, perhaps with launching pad of Kamala Harris as Governor of California next term.

I say future Democratic candidacies should resemble the 2024 model: The Optimistic Warrior.

We need to be inclusive.

We need to really focus on labor. Our workers need fair wages, fringe benefits, health insurance, and a predictable, safe retirement.

Maybe the other guy in your dialogue had some points; maybe not.

But his EXCLUDING YOU is exactly the wrong response.

We LEARN in inclusiveness.

Even if our debating partner has wrong views, she may have good points along with those we should hear.

We are all human and see the picture only partially, and we in numbers and diversity enhance each other.

From your column, I think you and I are chiefly in agreement, but where we would differ, I listen respectfully to you and learn.

From my standpoint:

(1) Kamala Harris ran an ideal campaign, a model for the future;

(2) Kamala Harris was allotted only 107 days for a two-year run;

(3) Americans are used to showmen, and the Orange-Carnival-Barker hits the spot with those who love game shows -- who knew?!;

(4) The voters for Trump are not informed on the news and are impressed with crass, Tony Soprano style in politics;

(5) We did NOT lose in any landslide, and we will fight;

(6) We will FIGHT;

(7) We will be HEARD;

(8) We will be SEEN;

(9) We will FIGHT against banning of books;

(10) We will FIGHT against cruelty to immigrants and minorities (e.g., as in Greg Abbott's Texas or on the national scale);

(11) We will support Blue-State Governors that compact together to resist;

(12) We will support labor organization and resistance;

(13) We will support -- financially always, with action where possible -- civil rights groups -- e.g., NAACP, Southern Poverty Law Center, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC, founded 1929);

(14) We will support liberal minded, free press, with such platforms as The Nation or . . . Annabel Ascher.

We will debate. We will dialogue. We will NOT fight each other.

Annabel Ascher can disagree with Armando 38 times a week, and Armando will listen and never, ever do otherwise than engage in respectful, well-reasoned, civil, friendly discourse.

I don't know what views your debate partner had. Maybe there was something to them; maybe not. But what we CANNOT endure is his EXCLUSION of you.

It is an age-old saw: Divided we fall.

We must stand united.

United is NOT lockstep.

United is diverse with room for a diversity of views with mutual respect and human dignity and equality for each person.

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Ann Medlock's avatar

I definitely see this as you see it. But I was so mad at B. Clinton for moving to the right that I did not vote for him the second time.

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